Conversation: Tuesday 2 June 12-13.30:

Location: https://bbb.constantvzw.org/b/ali-w2u-jcn

• • Read together: https://homosaurus.org/about / https://www.ihlia.nl/from-shoebox-to-gaysaurus/?lang=en

1. looking into the thesaurus (IHLIA's homosaurus specifically: http://homosaurus.org/v2 ) as a way to complicate/complexify binary classifications of gender
Screenshot of the visualization tool: https://cloud.constantvzw.org/s/7Xf3ArjGp2HJXCA?path=%2Ftexts%2FFeminist%20Search%20Tool%20Group#pdfviewer 
2. framing the potential gender(s) of the author from different sources like wikidata (collective authors/ missing information)-- analytics/approximation not so much definitions/ clusters speaks to the question of gender and sexualities --- clusters not labels

Notes:

- the question of distinction of authors and books... it is limiting to cluster only according to topics or only to authors 
- is there a different way to attribute labels such as gender and race 
- the way we have been doing is quite violent but also inaccurate 
- how to think about self narration in that context?
- how would we/IHLIA be able to approach the question of: I would like to see all works written by non-binary black people in the archive of IHLIA?

What are we talking about when we talk about gender?
- Assigned gender: Gender, either girl or boy, ascribed to a child based on the child'sperceived sex  https://homosaurus.org/v2/assignedGender

• -->interesting 'gender assigned at birth' is a category - on the same level as 'gender'

- Gender expression: Actions or appearances conveying gender http://homosaurus.org/v2/genderExpression
- Gender identity: A person’s experience of having a particular gender, which may or may not correspond with the sex they were assigned at birth https://homosaurus.org/v2/genderIdentity

- the tree of homosaurus has its own visualized map. The clusters we are imagining to do could look like it?
- standalone vocabulary: it keeps its autonomy

The Utrecht University catalogue does not allow to search for books by female non Western authors.

But then... its perhaps not viable to identify by gender? 

gender categories of wikidata... perhaps to limited?

Homosaurus is a tool that they create agency for themselves

gender categorization is an intervention in the system that is male dominated

categories at Ihlia:
assigned gender
gender expression


self-narration

How can you deal with something that is in flux -> when talking about gender identity. There are limitations in categories.

Questions to IHLIA: 


Eva: how they deal with this dilemma. So far when use categories is about identities. What if identities are in flux and moving back and forth? The limitations are that categories are fixed. How can they actually deal with capturing something that is in flux

the descriptions are very sensitive to differences
the gender is perceived in time of birth

always inclusion/exclusion in fixing moment of categories

name the inner exclusion that was happening

ILHA bubble in OBA
what categorisation system do they use? Siso?
specific field called 'descriptor' used with terms of homosaurus

Jessica: Girls Like Us (the magazine I'm involved in) we made a queer style guide that's answering some of the questions and topics raised here.  Might lead to far off topic to discuss here, but I can share parts of it in one of the pads?


own writing practice:
Bibliography research: Annette's PhD critical look at own bibliography. Non white people mention their position more often in their biographies > self narration.  POC, Non white very broad...  again: difficult to work with existing categories. to use "race" as a category.
https://read-in.info/bookshelf-research/


q: Do you include different languages? The gender terminology differs

IHLIA has Dutch based material

To Do's 
Svenja: wants to look into question of language
 
Angeliki & Alice working with the tool and the database:

• - The keywords in the descriptor include more than the Homosaurus vocabulary. So we downloaded the json file of Homosaurus in order to match the terms
• - We can use the tree structure of homosaurus to organise the clusters
• - we made a visualisation test with clusters in graphviz for a sample of 20 books from the IHLIA dataset, taking keywords from the ihlia website (onderwerpen + homosaurus terms {which are not always accurate or actually taken from the homosaurus?}) https://cloud.constantvzw.org/s/7Xf3ArjGp2HJXCA?path=%2Fimgs%2FFeminist%20Search%20Tool%20Group

Svenja (Infrastructural Maneuvers): 
marc21 focus is change and intervention in the record themselves
Looking into readabilty of marc21 ... a lot is dealt with on interface leevel. not so much on the level of the records itself 
writabilty requesting changes (on the level of the fields themselves or the content)
using marc 21 to make collections
http://www.progressivelibrariansguild.org/PL/PL34_35/050.pdf