12:39 Roundtable Ines Rabadan
experiment + documentary at the same time

inspiré  du karaoke philosophique de lionel lesire : : seen at jonctions 4, an  installation in which people could talk like philosophers

i  did the interviews but some of them don't have a contract, they didn't  wanted to be filmed. i wanted to have portraits of rich women and  cleaning women. somehow the cleaning women have to be transparent. and  cleaning ladies didn't really want to talk about their jobs. so it's the  voices of the women.

Some of cleaning women did not want to be filmed, so this was a solution

Ines is talking about her film, Karaoke
I  am that woman and it's vry funny cause i met the boss first. and she  said oh she's very shy she won't want to be in and then she did and  called me and said she wanted in and she hadsomething to say. Sharing  the idea with me it strenghtened th possibility to invent sth new, a  method. "I just don't do it and see what happens". 
That's great

femke : heads/hands are occupied. even when we don't do it, we think about it

all  this intelligence of women spent taking care of the house, of  everything, is still not share (the mental part of it). i'm looking for  tools to get rid of this, to change things. the fact of having somebody  to tell all this for one of the cleaning lady was important to her.

Marie-Françoise : 
Reminds  me of unite de lieu et de temps, so dfficult to show what is the  private sphere, inside of the house. Struck by the fact that you did it,  even if you explained you had no other way to do it.
In fact it is exactly what it is : Nobody sees the domestic sphere.
Your film shows domestic sphere so beautifully, you can imagine it, all women know it, all man know it as well.
U think it's a very very feminist film.

Julia:   I was  actually fascinated and i was wondering why you did all the  women. but even without that you were right to do it. It is the same  face, the same woma. Very  strong  difference to speak about the origin  of the women, in the same  gender  issue. It has to be taken into  account. There are strong differences and we can see it's not only men  and women but also between women. Women dominating aother women. And i  liked to see them all through one face, your face.
Femke  : for us the connexion was not just the but also this question of care  which still very often comes up. But if you talk about tech  infrastrucutre we usually share this task, but the stress and repettion  of tasks is similar to housework. there's differences and connexions and  this is what we're talking about.

xx: women decided to not want their faces to be shown, but they showed their hands

Ines:  they They did agree to show their hands, I couldn't say why, byt yes,  they did agree. i wanted to show the hands, also the women you see them  all 3 in the movie. I have been asked why I showed them, i wanted to pay  a tribute to be in the movie and tell me their stories.

I wanted to pay a tribute to them telling them their stories.
I  had the feelinf that playing al lthe women could give sth interesting  about representation. what a bourgeoise looks like, what a polish woman  looks like, ect.  It is also about the speech, how iti is  articulated.how you articulate your thoughts, show the construction of  the movie. it corresponds to my hybrid background. one of my grandmother  had a maid at home (a bell to call her) and my other grandmother was a  maid from age 6
there's  also the accents, i wanted to go back to them at the end at the film.  Through the hands I said : ok, she is there, these are the hands that  havebeen doing the cleaning.

Peter:  remark a few things we were talking about yesterday. We had a few  presentations of people and server based projects, they were all asked  the same questions, one of them was : what is the gender of the server,  we tried to evoke something. There were few comparisons between home and  server. Marthe went into relationship house-server, and responsability  of maintaining the place, the server and the house. It is been taken  care of by yourself and other people. Joy in making your place your own  place, but it can also be a nuisance, repetitive tasks, resources the  people you trust, etc..  How does the service deal with that all. The  law was in mosrt cases perceived as justice. But there was also a  different approach : the only law is gravity. the physical laws, tc.  There is a whole dynamic of the home of the server, many types and ways  of dealing with these issues. You make us think how this service is  organised. It helps us create something out of this. It was a beautiful  symbolic moment you showed. The house is doing sth to the people who are  doing sth to the house.

Ines : thank you.

Marthe:  Im very curous, because 2 people who are maintaining my server space,  have their hands here. I never met them, but they're here. Job  shadowing, I'm a volonteer for next year, for someone who is managing a  digital one, to job shadow. Someone who is helping me in the house, the  law helps me in this. In belgium law allows you to substract in taxes  house help. I m glad soemeone is helping me in my house, but I would be  happy to help in digital server.

Femke:  I think we're all very happy to have seen your film. Ines wll have to  go for take care of some things (laughs in the audience) but then she  will come back and participate in the discussion later. But I think the  film will stay with us.
                                   
12:30 Observations after Ines' film

Caretaking  was an important thread running through these past three days. Hands  versus heads that are occupied. Infrastructure versus  content/expression. In the film one of the "femmes domestique" started  inventing new methods for herself, how to stop being consumed only by  infrastructure and living also for herself, starting to think about what  she would like for herself. Talking about this reinventing by talking  about it to others was important to her. In a sense this is what we're  doing these four days, talking about new methods of escaping being  consumed by serving and find ways to spend time on thinking about what  we are serving, for who, with who and why... 

Household  work and maintaining technical infrastructure have this caretaking in  comon. The repetitiveness of tasks. Piramid scheme? Division of tasks,  sharing tasks together works great for those who can chose to work and  share the load of housework with a "femme de menage", but the woman  doing the housework for others usually also does all the work in her own  home. She has nobody to share her tasks with. Does the comparison with  maintaining for instance servers work in this context too? Companies  like Google have huge teams of sysadmins/developers worknig on the  caretaking but small initiatives have nobody to share these tasks with  and are left with very little time to spend on other sides of their  work, expression/content/context/networking with  sisterorganisations/developing together with those they want to develop  for (risk of simply developing for your own needs and projecting those  needs on others).

Maslov  -> to be able to spend time on 'self realisation' you need to  fulfill basic needs first such as housing, nutrition, health, safety,  social network, etc. before you can spend time on developing yourself  (or your organisation).

These  four days we are being served, fed, housed, taken care of, so we can  focus on the self realisation part of life as collectives, as  individuals, extremely privileged situation.

Are  sysadmins the cleaning ladies of the digital realm? There is definately  a status difference and having root or the key to someones house is not  the same power, ppl are not relying on you for similar services. But  it's all about maintainance of infrastructures. In a way it is seen as  more empowering to be able to maintain digital infrastructures as  opposed to maintinging physical and domestic ones. Software development  is another story, here the developer is working on infrastructures that  shape parts of our lives. It's not a super usefull analogy perhaps...  but then again, these maintainance tasks make it possible for others to  dedicate themselves to "more interesting things" as one of the ladies in  Ines' movie said. 


12:52 : break
13:09: re-boot

Femke:  when we started preparing this event, we wanted to see the constant  server physically. But it was complicated: permssions, it is a sunday...  will be complicated. So we asked them to ocme and present it to us. In  mean time they have moved to other datacenter, they show us their new  images of theirs servers.
All2all  is hosting for dedicated servers, virtual servers and many activist  project in brussels are hosted with them. We are not the only ones  wanting to know where our servers are.

So here is the video showing what we saw that day.

Jens Ingo (all2all) : in datacenter soun is very strong, you need to wear headphones
So i did some visite of data center and had sb film it. They are all resemblng each other

[film]
outside

access card
cage like walls
doors 
doors 
doors
corridors
little etiquttes 
racks
power supllies (left)
network cables (right)
13h14
routers
colored cables
perforated metal
input output holes

[go back frames)
transfer switch
a-feed and b-fees
web interface --> reboot possibility

13:18: image with his finger showing the connections
sound (shrieking)
5 amper indication
distribution  case for each a and b feed -> 4 electropowered plugs in the ground  which are connected to board, each feed is 20 amp
power plugs on the ground

the power plugs come out of the floor
the power plugs come out of the floor
the power plugs come out of the floor
also airconditioning is arriving to cool the place
one output on the right 
the orange thing is for the fiber optics
the router constructed with Linux (not a brand or sth)
we constructed it ourselves
router software is Quagga

paper flying a la marilyn monroe in front of the ventilator's little holes lineup
thermometer for mesuring heath/cold in front of racks and also behind (hot air) of the servers
cage for fire extinguisher units (huge)
'gas fire extinguishers' the electric components wll not be touched by it when there is a fire
"get energised by DUTRY power"
if  there is a power issue on the a-feed, the b-feed comes in and htis  transfer switch does it very well, goes from a to be, then when problem  is solved, it switches back
-->>>uninterrupted power suplly
--->>less stressful for the electronical components to not stop abruptly

every month there is a test-run, a-feeds stops to check everything, also diesle for generator is refilled and checked
--> huge autonomy

Femke  : I have one question : So when you were preparing this conversation  you talked about foot prints. in what way do you have our hands on this  datacenter, where does your responsibility starts and end,.


Jens  Ingo: Demarcation line, you have to know where your responsability  stops. there is datacenter, but also the admin on backbone (? )
We have our own IP ranges, so we can also stop collaboration with the data center if it is not satisfying any more.
this is progress, when we started in 1999/2000, we were 
we were much more dependent, we did not run the router, have our own ip-addresses etc.
now we have an easier negotiation basis with the data center.
We have 7 footprints.
server rack occupies 1 footprint more or less (= 1 tile), depends on the deck of the server

unbeneath on technical floor: datacenter responsability + electric responsability
footprint = demarcation line between responsabilities
as soon as it goes into XX it's our responsibility.
meeting room: a lot of different switches of different size, like a matrix
on the matrice you have diff supplies for 
 our router is connected to meeting room, from there we can do different xxx to different supllies
demarcation line is actually around this dispatching place.

Ripe : Réseau Intenrt
http://www.ripe.net/

They are very particular human beings, they are all male in the datacenter: technicians walking around
when  I go there, friday morning, there was auite some mouvement, auite busy  durong office hours. A lot of maintaing to do: change filters of airco,  tests on the generators...

How many times do you go
deends, we have a lot of monitoring  disk crashing, 
we have chat hosting, servers we set up for different websites
disk on a xxxx

[missed big part here]

we have to go there to set up a new server, network issues
each connection on power supply is item, we can stop urrent and bring it back 'hard reset' this we can do from a distance
in 1 month i go 4 to 5 times
sometimes more work and go more often
we try not to go often, because it not a very pleasant place
it is not a place for human beings, really for machines

electro smog, electro magnetic field, hot air, in winter is nice, but in summer not
no chairs, no table, I have to wear headphones if I stay longer
Gabriel : wondering wht lkind of mindset you have to do all those tasks ?
As a household ? I'm thinking about this connexion to keep infrastructure and house running ? how to prioritize?

Jens: you have to start to set up utilitarian approach, most important is network connection, everything else is secondary
if I have network segment problem, in the background i have individual complaints of the costumer
it changes all the time
priorities change all the time, it depends on the type of the event
if there is no emergency, you just watch the monitoring and provide what is needed.
If you have more time, you can start to work on them.But the most important is to have all the servers up and the network.
Little  problems inside server, application issues, clients with virusses on  their computers, centralize the servers which allow access directly on  hosting account, they can set up their oown application, sometimes  malware, we have to check this, scan computers, is something very new  now

Femke : how many people are working there ?

We have sometimes stagiaries (internes) on the payrol we are three plus freelance people that come fro mtime to time.
Nicolas:  company that run the datacenters, competitive market with a lot of  offfers? Some monopoly? A lot of choice? you said they look all the  same, is it homogenous or not really ? , do they ave different  politicis, economical, ecological.

Jens:  they have different prices. On server side it could be different. We  had experiences in the past, around brussels. they mostly are on the  periphery of the city, sometimes inside, but then they are telecom  owned.
Motorways around the city, you have rigns passing, maybe changed a bit now, but it was more difficult to get them into the city.
 Different offers  are mainly diff by price. The most expensive are not necessarily the best.
 
f.ex.  one in Diegem which is a bigger one, one day they started to work to do  improvements, people broke into the datacenter. How is this possible?  This should be a protected place. We had to leave, break the contract  through legal procedures.
You  have to sign a contract, stay as long as possible but you want ot avoid  to be thrown out to early. The price is not necessarily a qulity proof,  look at it from different angles: is it discrete, secure, guards  presence, these are qulity criteria.Many are badly protected because of  the size also.
Some of the companies have parts of the data centers they have the same access code for long time, not secure enough
It's quite expensive actually.
1 footprint is like rrenenitng an apartmentting an appartment.  (where???)
You also have bills for electricity, airconditioning.

Femke : are there groups of datacenters ? are they telecoms ?

jens:  2 types: provider independent datacenter, don't provide network  connection, only the service; up to you to contact different providers  present on the datacenter to have contract with them.
and  then there is datacenters that are tainted becaue they are telecom  owned and then you have more difficulties to have the bandwith you want ,  you are in a dependency with the telecom provider. First we worked with  Alcatel which was sold to KPN then to Mobistar datacenter so we ended  up dependent by them and we didn't want that.
In  upload direction there has been much less bandwith than was agreed on  we measured it, had an argument and removed all the servers.
You  have to have a lorry to transport them from one DC to the other. Moving  is really difficult. It is a real dependency reltion of the DC is not  neutral.
A lot of work to reconnect and renumber them.
If DC is only concentrating on DC work, it is more free,
On  the other hand you can always have a DC in your attick but if you  really want to do it, then it is almost impossible in an appartment  building or a house. Lots of factors could compromise your network.  Fire, dust, problems, interferences with metal structures etc. 
ex. fire in kitchen.... dust problems, people living in the house (somebody can become crazy)
If people live in the house they can become crazy and attack the server, etc (laughs)


Q: How much electricity do you need?

In the end it's sth like 1000 euros per month.
There's really a lot of power supliers to run this.
But they're becoming more and more economical.
less and less power demanding
you have same or higher computer capacity today with less electricity demands than before
let  me think how much... Frederic. What's the average electricity cost ?  1500 electricity bill per month. they count the use of the kilowatt  hours for use and send an invoice.

Ecological and economical reasons. Actually the economical reasons brought about ecological reasons.
Maria: is there a cleaning service in DC?
Jens: yes, oly men doing it

Q: Are there women?
Jens: yes, but very rare, women sys admin
we had once an employee who was a woman, 1 in 14 years who applied for a job
it is a womanless domain, I don't understand why, he

Peter  W : to jens and Marthe, you did this gentle offer to do jobshadowing.  Somebody could follow your job day to day. I was imagining the  conversation you would have before starting the jobshadowing with  all2all. Can you imagine that someone like Marthe, young, female,  artist, feminist... what could you learn from her? And other way round:  what could you get out?

Jens : Well, i dont rreally undrstand shadow working.
Marthe:  I'll explain. I thought it was project supported by EU, that people  would do job shadowing, follow someone in its daily routine of working.
I  get some financial support to do that. Monitoring, cleaning... then I  would be able to do that later. f.ex. when you type short cut on your  computer, you would have to say it out loud.
Jens  : Well, it depends how long ! (laughs) You cannot imagine this like an  office job. I  could work on sth. You can sometiles be in the DC but  also work from the outside. We did a lot of internships, to train them,  it was a painfl parto for us, we had to show them how to maintain a  server how to understand the network, to work on the servers.
What  we did was internships, also when we had employees, we had to train  them. Painful part for us, because we had to show them how to use shall,  understand a network, work on the servers.
We asked them to have level 1 certification to prevent any hard accidents.

internship  'learnign in the company', people paid by region of brussels for 5  months, money we had to pay for salary was always increasing, nice  system. 2 years later they left us, they wanted to change to another  company. they left us with our secrets, recipees. because what we are  doing is not so much taught in the schools, university, very particular.  We learned by practise, by constructing it. People form alternative  schools dealing with internet and sys admin, we don't have profile we  look for. They come with a lot of windows knowledge we dont't use, we  have to train them ourselves, is a lot of effort.

Gabriel  ; i have a good proposal. the intern people tanslate how infrastructure  works. i am sys admin at medialab prado (madrid) and interested in  infrastructure. there is now a website that shows all i learned  [link???] .i would like to know if you have like a scale to mesure how  you do yoru datacenter. is the government or public sector taking care  of your DC ? does the state have a control of some points ? f.ex. links  in between cities through highways
mix in between public and private sector

Jens  : about the city rings, what you see now is genral privately owned  connexions, most of the carriers (if you look the carrier site), there  are some that are neutral, are providing dark fiber. you have your own  network you can run on 10 gb or what you want and then you have he less  neutral carriers that provide the IP network, you can also make peerings  (?) it is difficult to make peerings. Electricity and gas and water  companies were only recently privatised but most of the time with fiber  optics it is set up by private companies from start, there are perhaps  subsidies but there are no public fiber networks anywhere.
one of the strategies to create a market?
there  are networks between universities, beginning of 90s, but they are more  and more disappearing, maybe based on less recent technologies? they are  not so important as private owned now.
I  think the implementatio of  most of the networks was happening when  everything was already too advanced and thats why there s no goverment  ones.
there must be some of railway company, but they sell dark fiber networks to other companies

Dark  fiber : ethernet network / you just get a fiber optic connection  between 2 points, ex this building and zavcentem, you would connect your  own equipment and you put the fibers, in zaventem you also put up the  switch and fibers, and then you have an ethernet network of 20km between  this room and zaventem. little connectors, stf, you can switch in,  looks like usb-stick

there  is a lot of cables that are never used within the fiber cables, a lot  of capacity to connect, but people only use 2 fibers in the cables of  the entire fiber, the rest is dark fiber because it remains useless but  present.
                                   
13:06 Observations All2All
Datacenters
Divison  of responsibility at datacenters: everything under the floor is the  datacenters responsibility, but everthing that enters into the rack is  All2All responsibility. Remote monitoring ensures All2All doesn't have  to visit often. Working on disks, replacing disks and setting up a new  server requires to physically go there. For switching on and off  machines, it can be done remotely, hard resets. Its not a place for  humans, its noisy, electromagnetic fields, hot air, no chairs or  tables... it's for machines. Maintaince is done in order of importance:  first network and keep machines running, then little problems on  software level, virusses that get introduced by clients. 

Datacenters  are one of the most basic levels of our network infrastructures, there  are different types with different services, some provide only  electricity and space, you have to get your own dataconnection. Some are  tainted (telecom owned), it's difficult to get the bandwidth you want.  They don't always provide the connection speed that was agreed upon.  Also safety is not always great. Switching datacenter is an incredibly  big job, so you can end up in a dependant position easily, simply  because you want to avoid moving at all cost. You rely on datacenters  because in domestic environment you have to take too many factors into  account for uptime. Unpredictable things from fires to people going  berserk attacking machines. On a small scale it is possible, but on  larger scale not. So hosting services are dependent on data centers,  Client is not King /klant is geen koning.

Training  employees and interns was painful process for All2All (3 ppl). Level 1  linux certification to start with. When ppl leave they leave with their  secrets and recipes. Is knowledge transfer possible for places like  All2All? It seems too time consuming and also sensitive (trade  "secrets"/recipes). 

State  control over infrastructure? Most connections are privately owned.  There are some neutral carriers that offer dark fiber, unused fiber  optic connections. Less neutral carriers that let you use their existing  network. Is real neutrality possible? Every infrastructure is  engineered with an agenda. 

observations 

1,5% of the world consumption of electricity comes from datacenters. 

server  at home is one thing, possible and desirable, but living in a  datacenter is not possible for human (agressive for the body on many  levels : noise, electrosmoke, electromagnetic field, heat) (there's no  chairs, tables). what would it mean in terms of data  production/consumption if all the internet was home-hosted ? what would  that changed in terms of access ?

what  about responsabilities in home servers ? what about autonomy ? would  there be a change in law for instance ? at least about practices

remote : in/visibility
parallel/care

datacenters  at the periphery of the city most of the time (the ones inside are  telecom-owned). fiberoptics under the motorways, so that was it was more  difficult to be in the city. therefore consequences in terms of  urbanism :  metaphors of the cloud as someplace else without impact  abund, but the cloud and other services in datacenters participate  actively in shaping the urban and periurban landscapes. if home-hosting  would become massive, it might change how and where electricity would be  created (is it possible and/or desirable ?). 
it's  less and less power-demanding (than a few years ago) to run a  datacenter (=host data), but the amount of data has also grown  exponential. 

"cages"  : internet services : cage within cage within cage. like a matrioschka  made of cages. are we all only cleaning cages when we tend upon our  servers/data/exchange ? or can we articulate caring with emancipation  (and how do we do that practically) ?

only men are doing cleaning service in the data center.

Femke : thank you, now let's talk around coffee.

14:17  An: Food is the chemical binding of all Constant events. We're very  happy with our excellent cook Guillaume APLAUSE!!!!!!!! presents for the  team :)

Baris and Wendy online 
hey, me, too! - asli
Movement against state controlled internet (Remote from Turkey)
Filtering, state control, blocking of content, monitoring of communication in Turkey. http://www.alternatifbilisim.org/wiki/English
Wendy  wrote them to invite them to jonctions as a stratement about the uses  of technology in these kinds of situation. lots of people built tunnels  in Turkey in the last years. difficulties to get visas to travel.
Last  friday we tried to connect to Istanbul but we got stuck in VoIP config  issues in Jitsi. On the other side of the line there is Asli Telli. http://aslitelli.tumblr.com  http://about.me/asli_telli  occupy gezi Her research & interests : open free source technology, diy
14:33  Wendy is setting up a Jit.si connection with Asli. She can hear us, we  can hear her (so far everything is great) but then we need to output on  the speakers which takes a bit of time.
14:39  Femke proposes to switch to her presentation, 1 minute to prepare and  then comes Geraldines presentation and hopefully then we'll have solved  the connection problem with Turkey. In any case we will include Asli's  voice into the video documentation somehow. 
14:42 mini break
14:50 Lecture: Fathers of the Internet
Only  notes, the beginning of something that I think is really important. It  doesn't matter if I'm doing it or someone else but it's about something  important that is happening really nearby.
bash fathers
fathers of the internet started in a long figure in Paul Otlet, obscure figure at that time. "father of information science". 

14:55 FEMKE on Paul Otlet and Google  
(for NOTETAKERS ONLY, the link to Femke's ongoing research : https://gitorious.org/fathers-of-the-internet)

I'm going to share notes with you.
We need to talk about this and it's happening nearby.
It  started from a longtime interest in Paul Otlet. I first discovered him  when I moved to Brussels. Many of my Belgian friends didn't know him at  all. 
I would like to start with a parental warning by someone else. Alex Wright who wrote a text on Otlet on an English website (http://www.transcriptsearch.com.es/id/FwO4kJhfG8U . See alsohttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwO4kJhfG8U).  Planned obsolesence: always focused on the next new thing, so we lose  sight of the historical context. We're not living through some special  period where everything is new all the time, we need to situate  ourselves in a historical context. 
Many beards in this presentation (while showing a photo of Otlet).
 Otlet  understood that in an age of information the connections between  materials were more important than the materials themselves. He  developed a system of library cards to access information. Quote: "from  individual books, collective books are created. Instead of an  encyclopedia limited and determined by a certain date, the universal  book of knowledge would be an unlimited work, always up to date always  growing... "

1935
"knowledge is the genesis of things. their genetics form the basis of pres "
Traite sur la documentation, available online! :) here : http://lib.ugent.be/fulltxt/handle/1854/5612/Traite_de_documentation_ocr.pdf

tech  : based on planned obsolescence so tendency to lose history about that.  we can understand the technology. info on "boxes and arrows" (a blog)
Paul  Otlet was very interested in documentation, the age of information :  the relation to the materials is more important that the materal  instead. He invented the library card.
picture : the last women to see in the presentation

from different books, one book is created. synthesizes.
1935
"knowledge is the genesis of things. their genetics form the basis of pres ??"

he  understood very well that informtion is not about cold words passing  thru the tubes, but also images, posters... a system to connect all  these types of information. picture : prototype for such a device
He  was thinking up systems to connect all different types of information,  texts, images, sound recordings, ... Photo of an installation where you  could listen, look, read... Melvil Dewey is one of the more famous  "fathers", Otlet was aware of Dewey, he tries to convince him to take on  his standard to communicate with him and his system. 1903  correspondance from Otlet to Dewey. Decimal classification. 1912/1913  his enterprise (accepting paid searches to his database, turning out  millions of cards, selling them internationally, a true enterprise).  Lobying and running his business.

melvil dewey : the natural father

dewey  system for decimal library system. otlet knew of dewey but tried to  convince dewey to find a way to communicate btw systems. 
po had two sons. he was making cards, paid searches to his database.
he was from a bourgeois family but wanted to make it happen, so he did from business to lobbying to establish his system.
He  had an amazing building for exhibitions that has now turned into a car  museum. But this shows he was doing really well, big prestigious  building. Then the war started and both his sons were called to service.  He lost his youngest son. Otlet published la fin de la guerre with a  world charter of human rights as the basis for an international  federation of states. (From: The universe of information). 
he was friend with lafontaine, that got a nobel prize and he invested all his nobel prize in his project
Elio  di Rupo mayor of Mons and finds out these cards of Otlet are still in  Brussels. He puts them in a department store where they can be cherished  and looked at. 
video : Boyd Rayward wrote the first bio of paul otlet filmed in po museum in mons
Mondaneum in Mons archive of Otlet. Boyd finds out that many of Otlets cards are still in Brussels and writes about them. 
15:08  Wendy installs speakers while we're staring at a big blue globe on the  projection. A painting of what ppl abroad fantasized what Otlet was  working on.
the  scenography was done by Peeter/Schuitten who are illustrators, and this  is how the museum looked until recently. from a kind of treasure found  by a mayor, it was preserved but not very vivid.
Heritage  was preserved but not in a vivid way, only rescued from further decay.  Otlet was still a well kept secret, at least internationally. Ppl  started looking into him though, more interest was raised. 

po : becoming a forgotten forefather
Alex Wright writes about him. meta applications discover links between documents but this is an untransparent process. Algorythms :) used in search engines. Would Otlet's web have turned out differently? 
quote  : "Would Otlet’s Web have turned out any differently?  We may yet find  out.   With the advent of the Semantic Web and related technologies  like  RDF/RSS, FOAF, and ontologies, we are moving towards an  environment  where social context is becoming just as important as  topical content.   Otlet’s vision holds out a tantalizing possibility:  marrying the  determinism of facets with the relativism of social  networks."
http://boxesandarrows.com/forgotten-forefather-paul-otlet/
Femke  Snelting, Nicolas Malevé, Peter Westenberg and Laurence Rassel visit  the Mundaneum. The museum doesn't 'interface' its treasures to the  audience, no explanations, no way to discover, no touching, etc. 
Peter blog routes routines (https://archive.org/details/BalearicRoutesRoutines
2007  : announce in the press for a company "crystal computing" data centers  (a smokescreen company for google). elio di rupo & other politicians  had to keep it a secret, because google would have stoped this  operation if it has been known that they were opening a datacenter in  belgium. 
The  smallest hitch would perhaps make Google pull out of the deal, so  everthing was done to make sure things remained smooth and undercover. 
discours d'elio di rupo pour l'ouverture de google : "désir régional de s'en sortir". "google open day" 
picture of king albert + di rupo visiting google
King  Albert visits Google. Jean Duplius: a confused parent. Back to  Mundaneum, former department store used as showcase for Otlets work with  closed drawers and cybercafe. http://www.mundaneum.orgDi  Rupo announced the official collaboration between Mundaneum and Google.  A partnership. The information society didns't start in the 70s and  80s, it was made in the mind of visionaries, Otlet and Lafontaine. They  saw how Information would be the black gold of the next centuries.  (march 2013 di Rupo). "For Google it is exiting to rediscover our own  roots". Video of director of Mundaneum speaking about how an  impoverished area will be revived together with partner Google, through a  common language, invented by Otlet. 
information as the black gold of the next centuries (replacing mining by datamining)
http://googlepolicyeurope.blogspot.be/2012/03/honoring-and-supporting-belgian.html
capture  partielle de la vidéo : tenter la conversion industrielle vers des  choses plus précises et ça passe par le grand projet de 2015, Mons  capitale européenne culturelle de 2015, relancer la dynamique culturelle  et sociale. google est là pour préserver la culture. po et hl ont  essayé de classer l'information du monde entier pour la rendre  accessible à tous. 100 ans le 10 décembre pour le centernaire du prix  nobel de la paix à lafontaine.

Preparing  for Mons 2015 because Mons will be cultural capital of Europe that  year, supported by Google. Video made by local company presenting Mons  2015. Un Google en papier. Making information accesible so that everyone  has access lol.Shedding light on heritage using new technology is what  Mons 2015 is about. Bridging old industries with future industries.  Helping artists working with technology, where future meets technology.  Here at the Mundaneum, we are at the heart of this system. 1000 jobs  created. Reshaping image of the city, modest but counting for something.
promotional video made by a company in mons
"paper google" one hundred year ago
"grand écart entre les grands artistes d'hier et les technologies d'aujourd'hui"
"vers l'industirie du futur" 
"aider les artistes à s'approrprier les technologies"
"city branding"
O:men talk in the video, and women smile
O An : une ville qui compte, littéralement, 0 1 

mundaneum started to have new exhibition
critique : brin & page are not otlet & lafontaine : a blog post "mémoire souillée"
http://www.webcontentspinning.com/a-la-memoire-souillee-de-paul-otlet-par-son-propre-mundaneum-et-google/
picture of the recently opened of the google cultural institute. google art project became the google art institute http://www.google.com/culturalinstitute/project/art-project
Juxtaposition  of Otlet and Lafontaine and Larry page and Sergei Brin. The memory of  Otlet is made dirty by "his" own Mundaneum. Mundaneum started their own  online exhibition,with Google, not downloadable, curation not very  interesting (copy pasting of existing sources). 
http://www.google.com/culturalinstitute/about/
Museum  of the holocaust in jerusalem makes statement that basically it's not  realistic to refuse partnerships with companies like Google, only in  fairytales can you remain independent
lots  of press about the datacenter in belgium by google - promotional video  par ex about the water supply in the datacenter : using the water of the  canal as a natural cooling of the datacenter. 
Use  of the water of the canal is used as a natural cooling system for the  Datacenter. No footage of the actual datacenter. They show in a video  the way the water of the canal is channeled to a distribution center. 
Google  starts to publish interviews with local workers, because ppl in Belgium  are interested in job creation. Laughing ppl in video, shiny happy  ppl. 
https://www.google.com/about/jobs/lifeatgoogle/meet-sebastien-delneste-data-center-technician.html
Tax avoiding schemes of Google come to light in Britain and also the amount of jobs created is not as promissed. 
http://www.levif.be/info/actualite/economie/beaucoup-de-show-peu-d-emplois/article-4000288551965.htm
the promise of job had not happenned - a 5 Million euros incentive to go to belgium was given to google
last father is vinton cerf
Vincent  Cerf, a father knows best. When things went sour in the south, Google  and Mundaneum decided it was a good idea to get the "father" to Belgium.  Video of Cerf talking about his visit, collaboration between university  of Gent, Mundaneum and Google. Introduction of Cerf: Evangelist de  l'internet de Google. Google glasses but no working translation.
video in vint cerf as a address "from one founding father of the internet"
"évangeliste" 
video de démonstration des google glass de vint cerf
Femke will be working on this and invites ppl to contribute/talk about this.
1993 it already started, it's been carefully planned for over 15 years, starting with the moving of the archive to Mons.
yves  : mons plan prepared for like 15 ans. the ruler of wallonia stealing  the money to prepare mons cultural capital.corruption by all of these  people/companies. 
f : the moving of the archive is the first step in 1993
marie-françoise  : visit from the prime minister in her organisation/archive. approached  by microsoft.it's difficult to operate with the cuts. we want to show  that women can work in those professions so we have to accept
geraldine  : friedrich hayek invented information is the new black gold  neoliberalist thinking linked to these developments, shared philosophies
gijs : maybe there's no so much difference btw google & po as he made cards and did paid research
Femke:  glad you ask this. It is not a story about the good and the bad guys.  Otlet was a man with very interesting ideas. It is not surprising that  Google thinks of him as a father, beautiful  find. The contrast is in  Otlets expanded library ideas and Cerf coming on stage with Google  glasses and headphones not working. lafontaine is a different figure and  it's very problematic to add him in the mix. quite bizarre. look at  otlet as what he did in putting materials together, it's beautiful, and  there's more and more stories as otlet as an entrepreneur, as a google  on paper created.
Google  on paper is how Mundaneum is portrayed now, Otlet as the entrepreneur.  This gives a false image. We can't give away the cultural heritage for  any amount of euros or 110 (maybe) jobs.
wendy : henri lafontaine was very important for women lib, he'll be on public domain day in january2014
julia ; interesting text i found about adopting genealogy in neo-liberalism
mara  : mostly about colonizing europe. microsoft are becoming  desesperate.monopoly on source code has been circumvented by open  source, pushing for patents now... lobying against monopoly of Google.
femke : tragedy of europeana. very saddening to see the state of such a project promoted as an alternative.
yves  : it's interesting to see how the story of otlet has been written, he  was before called before the internet of paper and now google on paper.
Femke  is not aware of any in depth independent research being done into  Otlet. She does think it is super important that this is done outside of  the Mundaneum, because the Mundaneum, as the angry guy in the video  stated, is messing up its own heritage. 
Gijs  gets to ask the last quesion. Are they putting effort into digitizing  the cards? Only one third of the archive is still there, not a complete  system. No way you can reconstruct. The archive of the feminist movement  in belgium, the commons movement, large poster archive, early films,  ... It looks like Google is scanning things, but it's not clear what is  being done atm. 

marthe's advice : see the documentary on paul otlet : the man who tried to classify the world

16:20 geraldine juarez
femke: last speaker! we've been following  your work for quite a while, very happy to have you!
geraldine: I present 3 things:
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She will present 3 things today: F.A.T. (http://fffff.at  ) F.A.T. is a bunch of ppl interested in open source, pop culture,  internet. they believe in the potential of open source, but are like  "bad vegetarians" sometimes. Integrating all the good parts of open  source. 5 years ago when they started, open source was not so corrupted  as it is now. We really believed in publishing, getting message out,  inspiring ppl. 
Fast overview of projects:
- fuck flickr is a software you can install on your server and host your own data.http://fffff.at/fuckflickr/
- J3Dilla: http://fffff.at/j3dilla/  when makerbot sold their company, they sold the database of people  sharing online their 3d models too, and it's not acceptable. she did  simple shell script, run it in a folder and you have stl-models  accessible in 3D
- IP Donor, project by Evan Roth: when you die you give all your intellectual property to the public domain http://ni9e.com/public_domain_donor.php
- Kopyfamo' http://fffff.at/kopyfamo/  a project where one can add watermarking logos from press agencies  ((AFP,  reuters, getty...) on one's images to add credibility.
- FuckGoogle http://fffff.at/fuck-google/  : Active beef with google. Build a fake google streetcar, set up a lab  and here a video of what happened. gps tracker on the "googlecar", ppl  started reporting that there was a googlecar that was tracked by a group  of artists. Construction of the fake car in Berlin. Transmediale. Ppl  take photos of the car, they stop in the middle of the road, nobody  minds, ppl LOVE Google. Ppl dropping their pants. Ppl shouting "fuck you  google" Someone from FAT kicks out the driver, a bypasser starts  helping out the fake Google driver. Fuck Google: no corportation should  be trusted with THIS much of our data.
in transmediale, we did not get the price, event was sponsored by google
- Social ID-bureau: ID card by Tobias Leingruber http://fbbureau.com/
- Compusock by Becky Stern : Big Hoody over head and screen to enter password. Safety first :) http://www.instructables.com/id/Laptop-Compubody-Sock/
-  Another Googlecar project. Selfdriving car. New York. It was driven  with the knees, not a real self driven car. Ppl were tweeting about it,  photographing. Someone from Google asks for a ride. 
someon driiving google car of FAT, were doing the spinning with the cqr, guy from Google asked for ride in the car
car spinning and noone protested
- Katsu made zuckerberg posters all over manhattan
- 10 guys I would never fuck http://guysiwouldnevereverfuck.tumblr.com/  : all guys with google glasses, many arguments why google glasses is  not what we need, but it also makes people unattractive, I wanted to  make clear that google glasses does that for you: not being attractive

Between fun and politics
we made a book: another way to spread what we do : The F.A.T. Manual http://www.linkartcenter.eu/public/editions/The_FAT_Manual_Link_Editions_2013.pdf
tried 3 times, 3rd time we made it, put it together in 6 months
you can download it for free on our website, also lulu and Moo (buy)
many people of fat don't work there all the time
FAT is a place to experiment but we don't always work in FAT.

O  : relationships between pop culture & open source ? how does it go  beyond a good laugh ? does it change the way we use technology &  interact socially ? not that it is bad to have a laugh. but very mixed  feeling about FAT.

Women_in_tech  project : if we google things about women in tech is a bunch of  intiatives for young girls, women that work in IT, or grown up women  that call themselves girls bt aren't. 
specific  clas related with IT that somehow say 'tech' vs 'technology',  automatically idea that software and co is per se ok:  techno-determinologist? is not critical. They don't care about anything  else than identity, we need to talk more about class to 
it needs to be about humans that have more power, but not through work
work  is not empowering, work in IT, code for work, be an entrepreneur... why  do we talk about women in tech, insteead of technolgoy, and why not  also the workers that create technology instead of work with it.
new project I'm starting : Going to the top. 
image of Marissa Mayer, CEO Yahoo
ideal of women in tech: you get to very powerful position
David  Cameron, cutting budgets for education, kicking imigrants out of UK,  neoliberal, he says he's a feminist, he says he respects women - this is  gender bait
easy to talk about liberation of women
Liberation through work is not real liberation, working all the time is not going to change society = FAILMINISM not feminism. 
I want to know why tech is different from technology, why only certain technologies are called tech
logic:  bunch of data, abandoned archives, let's create jobs, make people work  & everybody works equally - infocentrism that leads to labour tech
Infracentrism + genderbait = women in tech
Equality  is not in numbers but in content, what are we equal in? In numbers?  David Cameron and Marissa Mayer aren't interested in equality for all as  in ALL
'we need more women & tech in conferences', what conferences?
I propose to call them FAILMINISTS, their ideas should be rejected: no men or women will end up somewhere thorugh only work
New feminisms is only about personal sotires, experiences
Politics  are out of control, specific ideology going on, talking about personal  experiences I don't know where it challenges this 

She  is doing a repository of gifs, of women doing manual labour. One nice  example of a worker in a shoefactory in mexico, worker with mask of  unicorn as symbol of unisex
gifs -> perfect medium to replicate this cycle of manufacture
not  interested in any image of women in intellectual work but labour:  constructing something, like trains and workshops (marquiladora: they  manufacture tennis shoes, cloths)
--> esthaetics of tumblr, tech-audience
Repository so send over gifs! Bigger is better
She wants to present it 
anything we do will transform nature
barber pole: made with tupper wares and a motor showing animated gifs of women in tech repos.

O  : the power/work narrative for women is not empowering, women are used  as tokens. work has many layers as a term, and Geraldine's approach  address only some of them, and about specific types of work within IT. 
aesthetics  issue : tumblr aesthetics... ok it's image, and it's fun, but how does  it go further to understand power issues, class issues, etc. to  understand how computers are made, with which kind of genealogies,  ideologies

Book 'Fortunes of feminism' : about managers & careers, helping liberalism go easy with help of women
working with markets of materials, leech from them: use images to reveal how no-sense is produced
Nancy Fraser 
jewelry with Google and Facebooks nasdaq statistics http://www.simple-mechanisms.com/output/market-swag/
- burning bitcoins hello bitcoin http://www.simple-mechanisms.com/output/hello-bitcoin/
same  thing in cool format, decentralized system, is just speculation, they  are the ones that win. I get mini-bitcoins and burn them
Money is money because you can burn it not because you can spend it, it operates the same way.
- Wealth transfer http://www.simple-mechanisms.com/output/wealth-transfer/:  high frequency crashes since 2010 because robots trade the market,  programmed to crash, affected by exterior things... first crash took a  year to understand what happened, machines could not keep up with  connection; 2nd nightmare, more money exported that there was, 3rd one  bomb in whitehouse, obama was injured, that made the market crash
-> 3 distinctive patterns to crash markets
Crash patterns drawings into software and create music with it, adding beats to make it pleasant to listen to, not just noise.

17:03  Julia: Aron ? films of very succesful women portrayed by famous  actresses, f.ex. Margaret Thatcher protrayed as feminists, parallel
interesting distinction between labour, politics, biology -- women should enter politics, not huge machine
Do you think we can escape gender bait? 
Geraldine:  I don't know if we can escape from that... maybe politics that aren't  sexy are our only option. Artistic capitalistic critiques. Genderbait,  you just need to reject that. Everytime someone tries to portrait  margeret Thatcher as a feminist, reject that. Just because we use  computers we are girls in tech... Ignoring identity politics. Carreer,  goals, the need to work to generate more money.Why don't we turn all the  girls in Mexico into Entrepreneurs! Well, why don't we let them go to  school first? 
EU-campaign with lipsticks and superslim women: Science it's a girls thing. Scientific way of looking at lipstick. 
Marie-Francoise  (IF3 cfr notes Friday morning): The first thing I wanted to say was  that you come from a different world. it's very difficult... Our project  is to provide work for women who need money. To provide education.  we're survivors, there used to be much more centres like that It's a  paradox. Girls in tech. We train about 150 - 200 women, from webmasters  to women who have no education training them to become saleswomen in  shops. We trian them to sell computers, telephony, etc. they are women  in tech. Labour is important. It is the reality. When Neelie Kroes came  to visit our center (she wan't invited) we are the only successfull  women only organisation that trains women to enter the tech market. She  was not a woman in tech, seemed rather confused. I wouldn't necesarily  call her a feminist, but she is probably taking more interest in the  place women take in society. Her role is not imaginative, she is not a  revolutionary she is a commisioner. 
Reni  : there is one training center in graz, 100% microsoft now, used to be  small percentage open source. women working there are feminists,  conscious they're preparing people for horrible labour market depending  on tools such as microsoft. 
Geraldine: I don't think work is bad per se
 END!
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 notes an during femke's talk
 
                                       
How does the law affect your service ? Humans and machines
Turkish  tunnelers could not be here because of visa problems.... they are here  with virtual tele presentationvs how)àç software does affect your life ?  PZI-student told over lunch he has been kicked out of the school for a  year because of an error in the software ad,in syste, of the school
-> could be a parallel storyline

no access possible through the net

femke forgotten fathers
'parrental warning'
° father of information science
connections more important than bodies themselves /material

Otlet, traite sur la documentation – universal decimal system
information is not only text – images, voice, drawings, energy(?)
Melvil Dewey – Dewey system

connect systems – languages-houses-tunnels-streets
LAW, SOFTWARE, WAR influences our lives : Otlet, La fin de la Guerre
2 sons go to war
- house for expo & installation
*1913 Lafontaine friend / won nobel         price, all money in this project
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Otlet proposes system to write and rewrite history/biographies
cfr 1984
different people narrating biographies
mytholigsation/forgetting procedures vs live-note taking
attention of 1 person -> rebirth !

Museum without information/legends
maskerade  / tunneling in communication for installment of google in mons :  chrystal computing 'diplomatic communications' otherwise google would  have canceled the contract !
Elio Di Rupo is now prime minister of Belgium

--> can this be our format of re-writing the flossmanual ?
Using tunnels, forgetting, playing with lack of information, myths, rebirths, forgetting strategies
'host & hosting'

Jean Duplius, confused parent
replacing mining by datamining !!!

through culture and information reviving a pover region, as socialists with commercial company google ; having a common language
zoekmachine op papier

individuals of 20th century as heroes & identifications

Amit Soot
Google Cultural Institute, Google Art /MuseuM & exhibitions
'we donùt live in that kind of world
2013 2nd datacenter, for the first time --- institutional recognition

protest  UK : google does not pay taxes, not keeping their promises (amount of  jobs, other not so clear) – not the subsidies 5 millions euro

evangeliste, it becomes religious
but hey, no translation from him / publicity --> back to the beginning : relationships between bodies
'moving of the archive' wiping out the real story : it was created in brussels

ideals vs ideology 1984 – rewriting history 'we've found the father' – till 2015
'internet of paper' vs 'google of paper' after neglect period of 60 years
otlet searching for body his son ~ google search machine
google colonizing world
vs europeana : copyrights law have won the battle
2nd cultural city : riga, microsoft center --- nono

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