One of us mentioned that Violet Blue has had an exchange indirectly with the Ada Initiative in the context of the security, which also may be relevant to reading/discussing this book. (The Smart Girl's Guide to Privacy: practical tips for staying safe online) I was curious how she framed this book, since I think women/sex workers and different communities have special knowledge that we could learn from. Nice discussions on gender specific vulnerabilities women don't have the same amount of power people can embarass you more readily they can crush you explicit attention to marginalized communities, although mostly about women this is absent in many privacy guides in a popular format, this was super valuable. page 7: women often don't speak up because asking for help can make more people target you that was very helpful this reminded me of discussions about anita sarkeesian heightening your visibility (by speaking out about what's been done to you) can heighten your vulnerability i appreciated that it would have been good to do more of that I followed her online I was trying to be critical I didn't like the use of girls The last second I sent the link about facebook https://medium.com/@violetblue/facebook-i-want-out-e1e891975531#.89jt7yqmu She brought the bigger picture together, LGBT, especially the T then she talked about her background which is not in the book and it gave her more credibility than the book did I appreciated the article and liked the book even more She is raised by transgender identified parents She was a foster child Very interesting thing about names: also for foster children that brought it full circle maybe her next revision could bring that in more she talks about emotions and feelings that was the best thing that she does here what it feels like to have your privacy invaded that was such a relief when people talk about privacy violation: you get an avalanche of stupid advice you should have done this and that if you have worked with victims, you need to center the victim and she does that, taking feelings seriously, talking about supoprt & self care & therapy unlike the usual: take charge, do this and that and you bounce back and nothing effects you and therapist that understand tech stuff that was really great so I really appreciated the focus on emotions I liked it My confession I had to skim and quickly read a bunch of it It is very prescriptive I liked what X was talking about: she was writing to somebody Not just facts and urls about what to do This is the sort of book, funny that it is published as a book The length makes it practical to be a book But the substance can go out of date quickly She talks about the principles of the things She mentions a lot of specific products, but still it was well put together: there is an index The appendix: basic structure of the book it is easy to go back and find things Is there something on location information for things i have put online: and it was there I have some specific critiques of it I liked the chattiness but I wasn't sure who the girls were that she was chatting to how would this book speak to pious women who may be harassed for something other than their sexuality did anyone try out the things that she lists in the book YES!!! Angwin's book Dragnet Nation by Julia Angwin) it is a personal, she tries to get herself out of people finders and closes accounts it is all first person it is not prescriptive like this but she is also covering the same ground that seems to be what was missing for you because it didn't have the background this is a you can do it book whereas the angwin book is less about it being doable dark matters: on the surveillance of blackness Simone Browne just came out, maybe we can put it on our list, too I expect two categories of critique: standpoint /framing technical recommendations Shall we keep them separate? There is conflation of a lot of actors What you do against one does not work against the other one Facebook and Google, vs peoplefinder companies There are distinctions between them is lost here And what you do with people and with companies are very different I may be willing to give information to one and not another Like the page with red, yellow, and green Don' give your full name If you are who is genuinely under threat then everything is difficult for you but there are a lot of people, how could you work in the world like that linked in: i need to have a job i need that for people to approach me with a job opportunity i appreciate some of the this could be used for thing a lot of my credibility comes from my name being known if people cannot find out about my name, then it doesn't look good if i don't make sure things are attached to my name then things are going to float up she talks about reputation in a bunch of places but she doesn't talk about the fact that you need to have a reputation but if you are looking for a job where prestige matters you don't get a job as a pundit part of who you are is your name a false name is going to hurt your reputation i used to try to keep my artist name apart from my real name in the dj world, they may also be excited about me being a professor, so they want to talk about it and it helps me get booked and sometimes i lose, because more conservative academic people find out that i am also a dj so, who is the audience of this book? if not literal, cutesyness of the girl thing the online dating, people of every generation use online dating the biggest category would be people in their 20s did she have early 20 something people in mind people who don't have a career building up it was a little, i didn't understand how most people would be keeping their name off and private in that way even without facebook where there is so much about building reputation in world of warcraft maybe not but there a lot of situations where your given name is going to be published somewhere all kinds of things like that one fact that i didn't know female datasets being worth more than male ones because of buying decisions and worth more for things like web cam access that women are disproportinately targeted for that is a whole category of discussion that is worth having in a way that is one of these amazing things about market valuaations women's insurance rates are lower: they happen to be safer drivers they must be making those decisions based on some data there are two editions i was a little critical because there was not even one mention of 4chan and the reverse searches i thought that would have been interesting that was out openly for a long time makes you wonder if there is another reason why she didn't mention even if i tweet about it, i put 4chan in a unsearchable way i wonder if she is also herself worried one thing that i didn't like is that she doesn't the political analysis: or the lack thereof she recommends that people take advantage of the DMCA or make use of amazon turk: they have terrible labor practices you can draw upon these people who are working for 12cents an hour i had never heard of no-starch press is it a well known tech publisher? it is a niche tech publisher. progressive? no it is mostly just tech stuff and some manga guides it was noticeable that she was talking about maintsream stuff and not riseup when she compares the small houses vs. the big guys which makes it more accessible to a whole wide variety of readers who are not going to put their website on mayfirst at first, i thought it is a small press and hence progressive, but it was not the case yes, small vs. big but also the politics matter - they have different goals and different powerstructures riseup will fight for your rights you cannot know with the big guys so, it is a structural thing you know that riseup doesn't exist except a social purpose which is not about making money like soundcloud: they are not there to serve musician but to make money so the recommendations misses the point that these companies interests are not aligned with people and depending on the harms you are worrying about they may not be big on identity theft, but better for protecting you data from nsa and advertisers one of the first examples used was i thought it was a man it was important but i felt we should be sticking to no cis-male examples yes, maybe too many of her examples are prominent people, rather than your typical "girl" maybe it is to show that even a tech savvy journalist can be a subject it did illustrate things trust companies and don't trust companies are happening at the same time celebrity cases vs. everyday person problems having separate phones: as a journalist i might do that i know that this is not an unusual thing; in jamaica people will have three phones because there are three phone companies and phones are cheap if you have two phones then one you cankeep secure and you don't maybe have to trust a third party she also treats data as property, which sets it in a particule ideology i was surprised how little she deals with sexual intimacy she is focusing on how you make your phone/computer prophylactic the four ways you can lose privacy one is there are people with good intentions but she doesn't talk about lovers so, how about nudes that you share with whoever intentions is not a good way to look at this stuff many lovers also become stalkers and abusers creepy steve didn't necessarily start out, maybe he was cutie pie steve at some point i know that she write a lot about sex many people have video sex, and you turn it off and you wonder: what if the other person recorded that i always make sure my tattoos an hair color are not showing i was surprised that in the dating and sex section, she doesn't talk about this i is all this stuff about the initial contact she did talk about other emotions how does intimate relations can turn into something else in discussions with people many assume that dangers come from outside of your trusted ircles but not thinking about common contracts, trackers on each others phones etc. it would be great to have an entire chapter on that i saw bell hooks (jealous ooohs) bell and somebody else talked about how feminists failed to make progress inside the home they made big progress outside of the home and she had the example of a friend saying her husband tells her to shut up and what do we tell this person as a feminist she defers to the therapists, but even if she touched based with experts who to clue you into these things planned parenthood have this incredible system for how it is that you can call them and they can call you back without revealing your name they have tons of strategies for managing relationships with women who are in abusive relationships like with phone, if your partner is paying the phone bill, there is a problem planned parenthood makes sure that their number does not appear on the phone bill as that they had to do that this is also really white centric go online as a man if your name is abdul hossain, or marked otherwise in terms of religion, citizenship or race you would find things different she is really assuming that also what black women face online is not the same either it was sort of going in the level that she didn't address it just felt like it was put in there to be inclusive it didn't begin to speak to unique differences the opening of chapter 3 driving while black online while female - really disappointing and it was not the beginning of a discussion on marginalized communities but coming back to women being public for women, and for black women even more so when x criticizes miley cyrus you get the image of her of this angry black woman and sometimes feminists think, if you speak up, people will rush to your defense and that is not always the case, and there is class and race stuff in there, too are all technical stuff sound: i fell of my chair when she said don't give away your ip address there is a period of time when somethings happen, where you are trying to figure what the other person is playing you block them and you are trying to figure out what they may be trying to do to you i had a situation, the conference with nathan jurgenson some guy added me i was tweeting the hashtag i did a follow back then they dmed me and ws like you are so cute in this picture i blocked him and i said this guy is watching the hashtag i observed some other things nathan wanted to know what was happening so i sent some screenshots i could see other people saying "don't comment on her appearance" but i couldn't see what he was doing, i needed some way to monitor what was going on she describes a lot of things that are evil but these are necessary things that you need to do like doxing women do doxing in self-defense it is interesting, because in the tech world it is the worst thing you can do but revenge porn may be worse if a guy is posting seuxalized or abused images of you then maybe that is worse than doxing there was this article, the person who moderated the creep shots thing on reddit basically, what i remember there became this huge discussion that this guy had been doxed and he lost his job but he was moderating a page for putting these images i think he should look his job, he is facilitating a hostile environment i feel like it is the same thing again: these are cast as de facto evil and in the next light, it is a tool if it is your home address suddenly being public potential mayhem that comes with that people appearing in front of your home that is going to effect a childless man very differently than a women with a child she connected a little too often gender to sex and sexuality if you are female there is a lot about sex like she uses the term privacy chores, very nice, but then "chores" a gendered term, who does the chores? which collapses this thing that as a woman you will be most often seen as a sexual figure with that is what you are it could also be about motherhood and the pious women that we discussed earlier there is not much about children no one wants to talk about kids and their privacy she also doesn't talk about parenting kids who are not old enough to be on devices the book doesn't have to be all things in every stage of life so there is not much about what you do yourself the smart girl she is not a mother she is not a girl she is a sexy girl she is missing the mature women and the actual girlishness which might be over complicating her title to that end the teenage girl is especially afflicted who could have a child in this day and age it would be great to look at teen sites like autostraddle it is a lesbian site i wonder if they do anything with online teens scarleteen is the one i wonder if they have stuff on this http://www.scarleteen.com i have a friend that used to teach digital literacy to middle schoolers and one that is a designer who is now at nyu poly i am now, maybe there should be a thing they can be interested in a guide for teen girls