One of us mentioned that Violet Blue has had an exchange indirectly with the Ada Initiative in the context of the security, which also may be relevant to reading/discussing this book. (The Smart Girl's Guide to Privacy: practical tips for staying safe online)

I was curious how she framed this book, since I think women/sex workers and different communities have special knowledge that we could learn from.


Nice discussions on gender specific vulnerabilities
        women don't have the same amount of power
        people can embarass you more readily
        they can crush you
        explicit attention to marginalized communities, although mostly about women
        this is absent in many privacy guides
        in a popular format, this was super valuable.

page 7:
        women often don't speak up because asking for help can make more people target you
        that was very helpful
        this reminded me of discussions about anita sarkeesian
        heightening your visibility (by speaking out about what's been done to you) can heighten your vulnerability
        i appreciated that
        it would have been good to do more of that


        I followed her online
        I was trying to be critical
        I didn't like the use of girls
        The last second I sent the link about facebook
https://medium.com/@violetblue/facebook-i-want-out-e1e891975531#.89jt7yqmu
        She brought the bigger picture together, LGBT, especially the T
        then she talked about her background
        which is not in the book and it gave her more credibility than the book did
        I appreciated the article and liked the book even more

        She is raised by transgender identified parents
        She was a foster child


        Very interesting thing about names: also for foster children


        that brought it full circle
        maybe her next revision could bring that in more


        she talks about emotions and feelings
        that was the best thing that she does here
        what it feels like to have your privacy invaded
        that was such a relief
        when people talk about privacy violation: you get an avalanche of stupid advice
        you should have done this and that
        if you have worked with victims, you need to center the victim
        and she does that, taking feelings seriously, talking about supoprt & self care & therapy
        unlike the usual: take charge, do this and that


        and you bounce back and nothing effects you


        and therapist that understand tech stuff
        that was really great
        so I really appreciated the focus on emotions


        I liked it
        My confession
        I had to skim and quickly read a bunch of it
        It is very prescriptive
        I liked what X was talking about: she was writing to somebody
        Not just facts and urls about what to do
        This is the sort of book, funny that it is published as a book
        The length makes it practical to be a book
        But the substance can go out of date quickly
        She talks about the principles of the things
        She mentions a lot of specific products, but still
        it was well put together: there is an index

        The appendix: basic structure of the book
        it is easy to go back and find things
        Is there something on location information for things i have put online: and it was there

        I have some specific critiques of it


         I liked the chattiness
                but I wasn't sure who the girls were that she was chatting to                        
                how would this book speak to pious women who may be harassed for something other than their sexuality


        did anyone try out the things that she lists in the book

YES!!!


        Angwin's book   Dragnet Nation by Julia Angwin)
        it is a personal, she tries to get herself out of people finders and closes accounts
        it is all first person
        it is not prescriptive like this
        but she is also covering the same ground


        that seems to be what was missing for you
        because it didn't have the background


        this is a you can do it book
        whereas the angwin book is less about it being doable


        dark matters: on the surveillance of blackness
        Simone Browne
        just came out, maybe we can put it on our list, too

I expect two categories of critique:
        standpoint /framing
        technical recommendations
Shall we keep them separate?

There is conflation of a lot of actors
What you do against one does not work against the other one
Facebook and Google, vs peoplefinder companies
There are distinctions between them is lost here
And what you do with people and with companies are very different
I may be willing to give information to one and not another
Like the page with red, yellow, and green
Don' give your full name
If you are who is genuinely under threat
then everything is difficult for you
but there are a lot of people, how could you work in the world like that
linked in: i need to have a job
i need that for people to approach me with a job opportunity
i appreciate some of the this could be used for thing


a lot of my credibility comes from my name being known
if people cannot find out about my name, then it doesn't look good
if i don't make sure things are attached to my name then things are going to float up
she talks about reputation in a bunch of places
but she doesn't talk about the fact that you need to have a reputation
but if you are looking for a job where prestige matters
you don't get a job as a pundit
part of who you are is your name
a false name is going to hurt your reputation

i used to try to keep my artist name apart from my real name
in the dj world, they may also be excited about me being a professor, so they want to talk about it and it helps me get booked
and sometimes i lose, because more conservative academic people find out that i am also a dj

so, who is the audience of this book?
if not literal, cutesyness of the girl thing
the online dating, people of every generation use online dating
the biggest category would be people in their 20s
did she have early 20 something people in mind
people who don't have a career building up

it was a little, i didn't understand how most people would be keeping their name off and private in that way
even without facebook where there is so much about building reputation
in world of warcraft maybe not
but there a lot of situations where your given name is going to be published somewhere
all kinds of things like that

one fact that i didn't know
female datasets being worth more than male ones
because of buying decisions
and worth more for things like web cam access
that women are disproportinately targeted for
that is a whole category of discussion that is worth having

in a way that is one of these amazing things about market valuaations
women's insurance rates are lower: they happen to be safer drivers
they must be making those decisions based on some data

there are two editions
i was a little critical because there was not even one mention of 4chan and the reverse searches
i thought that would have been interesting
that was out openly for a long time

makes you wonder if there is another reason why she didn't mention
even if i tweet about it, i put 4chan in a unsearchable way

i wonder if she is also herself worried

one thing that i didn't like is that she doesn't 
the political analysis: or the lack thereof
she recommends that people take advantage of the DMCA
or make use of amazon turk: they have terrible labor practices
you can draw upon these people who are working for 12cents an hour
i had never heard of no-starch press
is it a well known tech publisher?

it is a niche tech publisher.
progressive? no
it is mostly just tech stuff
and some manga guides


it was noticeable that she was talking about maintsream stuff and not riseup
when she compares the small houses vs. the big guys
which makes it more accessible to a whole wide variety of readers
who are not going to put their website on mayfirst
at first, i thought it is a small press and hence progressive, but it was not the case

yes, small vs. big
but also the politics matter - they have different goals and different powerstructures
riseup will fight for your rights
you cannot know with the big guys
so, it is a structural thing
you know that riseup doesn't exist except a social purpose which is not about making money
like soundcloud: they are not there to serve musician but to make money
so the recommendations misses the point that these companies interests are not aligned with people
and depending on the harms you are worrying about
they may not be big on identity theft, but better for protecting you data from nsa and advertisers


one of the first examples used was i thought it was a man
it was important
but i felt we should be sticking to no cis-male examples

yes, maybe too many of her examples are prominent people, rather than your typical "girl"

maybe it is to show that even a tech savvy journalist can be a subject
it did illustrate things


trust companies and don't trust companies are happening at the same time

celebrity cases vs. everyday person problems
having separate phones: as a journalist i might do that
i know that this is not an unusual thing; in jamaica people will have three phones because there are three phone companies and phones are cheap
if you have two phones then one you cankeep secure and you don't maybe have to trust a third party

she also treats data as property, which sets it in a particule ideology

i was surprised how little she deals with sexual intimacy
she is focusing on how you make your phone/computer prophylactic
the  four ways you can lose privacy
one is there are people with good intentions
but she doesn't talk about lovers
so, how about nudes that you share with whoever
intentions is not a good way to look at this stuff
many lovers also become stalkers and abusers


creepy steve didn't necessarily start out, maybe he was cutie pie steve at some point
i know that she write a lot about sex

many people have video sex, and you turn it off and you wonder: what if the other person recorded that
i always make sure my tattoos an hair color are not showing

i was surprised that in the dating and sex section, she doesn't talk about this
i is all this stuff about the initial contact
she did talk about other emotions
how does intimate relations can turn into something else

in discussions with people
many assume that dangers come from outside of your trusted ircles
but not thinking about common contracts, trackers on each others phones etc.
it would be great to have an entire chapter on that

i saw bell hooks (jealous ooohs)
bell and somebody else talked about how feminists failed to make progress inside the home
they made big progress outside of the home
and she had the example of a friend saying her husband tells her to shut up
and what do we tell this person as a feminist

she defers to the therapists, but even if she touched based with experts who
to clue you into these things

planned parenthood
have this incredible system for how it is that you can call them and they can call you back without revealing your name
they have tons of strategies for managing relationships with women who are in abusive relationships
like with phone, if your partner is paying the phone bill, there is a problem
planned parenthood makes sure that their number does not appear on the phone bill as that
they had to do that

this is also really white centric
go online as a man
if your name is abdul hossain, or marked otherwise in terms of religion, citizenship or race
you would find things different
she is really assuming that
also what black women face online is not the same either
it was sort of going in the level that she didn't address

it just felt like it was put in there to be inclusive
it didn't begin to speak to unique differences

the opening of chapter 3
driving while black
online while female - really disappointing
and it was not the beginning of a discussion on marginalized communities
but coming back to women 

being public for women, and for black women even more so
when x criticizes miley cyrus you get the image of her of this angry black woman
and sometimes feminists think, if you speak up, people will rush to your defense
and that is not always the case, and there is class and race stuff in there, too

are all technical stuff sound:
i fell of my chair when she said don't give away your ip address

there is a period of time when somethings happen, where you are trying to figure what the other person is playing
you block them and you are trying to figure out what they may be trying to do to you
i had a situation, the conference with nathan jurgenson
some guy added me
i was tweeting the hashtag
i did a follow back
then they dmed me
and ws like you are so cute in this picture
i blocked him and i said this guy is watching the hashtag 
i observed some other things
nathan wanted to know what was happening
so i sent some screenshots
i could see other people saying "don't comment on her appearance"
but i couldn't see what he was doing, i needed some way to monitor what was going on

she describes a lot of things that are evil
but these are necessary things that you need to do
like doxing
women do doxing in self-defense
it is interesting, because in the tech world it is the worst thing you can do
but revenge porn may be worse
if a guy is posting seuxalized or abused images of you
then maybe that is worse than doxing

there was this article, the person who moderated the creep shots thing on reddit
basically, what i remember
there became this huge discussion that this guy had been doxed
and he lost his job
but he was moderating a page for putting these images 
i think he should look his job, he is facilitating a hostile environment
i feel like it is the same thing again: these are cast as de facto evil and in the next light, it is a tool

if it is your home address suddenly being public
potential mayhem that comes with that
people appearing in front of your home
that is going to effect a childless man very differently than a women with a child

she connected a little too often gender to sex and sexuality
if you are female there is a lot about sex
like she uses the term privacy chores, very nice, but then "chores" a gendered term, who does the chores?
which collapses this thing that as a woman you will be most often seen as a sexual figure with that is what you are
it could also be about motherhood
and the pious women that we discussed earlier

there is not much about children
no one wants to talk about kids and their privacy

she also doesn't talk about parenting kids who are not old enough to be on devices
the book doesn't have to be all things in every stage of life
so there is not much about what you do yourself

the smart girl
she is not a mother
she is not a girl
she is a sexy girl
she is missing the mature women and the actual girlishness
which might be over complicating her title


to that end
the teenage girl is especially afflicted
who could have a child
in this day and age
it would be great to look at teen sites like autostraddle
it is a lesbian site
i wonder if they do anything with online teens
scarleteen is the one
i wonder if they have stuff on this
http://www.scarleteen.com

i have a friend that used to teach digital literacy to middle schoolers
and one that is a designer who is now at nyu poly
i am now, maybe there should be a thing
they can be interested in a guide for teen girls